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]]> Cheap Meridia From India - FDA Checked Pharmacy http://ronen.dvarim.com/cms/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/comment-page-1/#comment-2904 ∂ab Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:40:17 +0000 http://ronen.dvarim.com/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/#comment-2904 "Language (any language is symbolic) is international, therefore cannot be ‘altered’ to different meanings in different places." I don't know where these words come from. Words are in fact extremely flexible, and there is NO universal language, least of all music, and least of all art. Symbols do not cross cultural borders well at all. Globalization is a funny idea that hasn't happened yet. Only fools without eyes assume that it has. I imagine the speaker of those words was a performance/posturing artist. No one else could get away with it. Yours, ∂ab “Language (any language is symbolic) is international, therefore cannot be ‘altered’ to different meanings in different places.”

I don’t know where these words come from. Words are in fact extremely flexible, and there is NO universal language, least of all music, and least of all art. Symbols do not cross cultural borders well at all. Globalization is a funny idea that hasn’t happened yet. Only fools without eyes assume that it has.

I imagine the speaker of those words was a performance/posturing artist. No one else could get away with it.

Yours,
∂ab

]]> Cheap Meridia From India - FDA Checked Pharmacy http://ronen.dvarim.com/cms/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/comment-page-1/#comment-1326 avi rosen Sun, 01 Jul 2007 05:48:09 +0000 http://ronen.dvarim.com/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/#comment-1326 Ronen- Its ur blog & responsibility for the content (pls notice there is my response to ur text "rostock - venice - rome"- on Jun 20th, 2007. Somehow it is still awaiting ur moderation, although a later respond by other person was moderated & published by u!) U must pay extra attention to expression like "hagada = terrible fascistic book". If there is no comment on this, u probably agrees with it ?!. As an anarchist in Germany u should be more sensitive to such expressions, otherwise there is no difference between ur blog and any other racist\ fascistic blog. In digital age the distance from freedom of speech "Dort, wo man B?cher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen." to freedom (excluding) from life: "Arbeit macht frei" is very fuzzy. U can find the description in the awaiting ur moderation text. Ill post it again. Ronen- Its ur blog & responsibility for the content (pls notice there is my response to
ur text “rostock – venice – rome”- on Jun 20th, 2007. Somehow it is still awaiting ur moderation, although a later respond by other person was moderated & published by u!)
U must pay extra attention to expression like “hagada = terrible fascistic book”.
If there is no comment on this, u probably agrees with it ?!. As an anarchist in Germany u should be more sensitive to such expressions, otherwise there is no difference between ur blog and any other racist\ fascistic blog. In digital age the distance from freedom of speech
“Dort, wo man B?cher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.” to freedom (excluding) from life: “Arbeit macht frei” is very fuzzy. U can find the description in the awaiting ur moderation text. Ill post it again.

]]> Cheap Meridia From India - FDA Checked Pharmacy http://ronen.dvarim.com/cms/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/comment-page-1/#comment-1295 ronen Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:47:15 +0000 http://ronen.dvarim.com/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/#comment-1295 Naama - I basically agree with you. As noted this article was written a few years ago from a perspective of living in Israel and felt it was important to show the political perspective of struggling from inside the Israeli public. Today living in Weimar I assume I would write more carefully. But I still feel pretty much the same. Avi - i think you should know the diffrence between a post of the blogger and replys of the readers. anyway, i read the hagada with freinds and family but i do it in a critical way, its not a easy book to dael with. there is along road from being critcal to jewish books until burnings, dont lose perspective. Naama – I basically agree with you. As noted this article was written a few years ago from a perspective of living in Israel and felt it was important to show the political perspective of struggling from inside the Israeli public. Today living in Weimar I assume I would write more carefully. But I still feel pretty much the same.

Avi – i think you should know the diffrence between a post of the blogger and replys of the readers. anyway, i read the hagada with freinds and family but i do it in a critical way, its not a easy book to dael with. there is along road from being critcal to jewish books until burnings, dont lose perspective.

]]> Cheap Meridia From India - FDA Checked Pharmacy http://ronen.dvarim.com/cms/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/comment-page-1/#comment-1263 avi rosen Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:15:27 +0000 http://ronen.dvarim.com/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/#comment-1263 Naama, u r right "when you start streaching conceptions you stop thinking clearly" When this blog considering itself as anti neo nazi, is publishing posts like: "i celebrate pesach with good humus and pita and dont read the hagada which is a terrible fascistic book. ?" which is racist statement, specially in a place where books (and people) where burning not so long ago! its clearly not undermining each other’s sacred symbols and distinct history. A remainder is in Micha's Ulman "Empty Library" monument in Bebelplatz Berlin. Haim Heine, better known as Heinrich Heine wrote ""Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings."... Naama, u r right “when you start streaching conceptions you stop thinking clearly”
When this blog considering itself as anti neo nazi, is publishing posts like: “i celebrate pesach with good humus and pita and dont read the hagada which is a terrible fascistic book. ?” which is racist statement, specially in a place where books (and people) where burning not so long ago! its clearly not undermining each other’s sacred symbols and distinct history. A remainder is in Micha’s Ulman “Empty Library” monument in Bebelplatz Berlin. Haim Heine, better known as Heinrich Heine wrote “”Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”…

]]> Cheap Meridia From India - FDA Checked Pharmacy http://ronen.dvarim.com/cms/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/comment-page-1/#comment-1012 Naama Mon, 28 May 2007 22:17:01 +0000 http://ronen.dvarim.com/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/#comment-1012 Hey, sorry for the late response. anyways: You write well, and it's important we translate our debates to English. Language (any language is symbolic) is international, therefore cannot be 'altered' to different meanings in different places. I don't know who we're fooling by thinking a swastika means something else in Tel Aviv or Bil'in than in Weimar. You know what they say in philosophy - when you start streaching conceptions you stop thinking clearly, and being activists i think means mark the path of crystal-clear thought. If there's something a year in London taught me is that we're not being very carefull in our language. For instance, we keep using a comparison to colonialism. In the UK, colonialism is felt everywhere. It's tangible, bleeding - a lot of people here still carry it in their collective memory, relate to it daily. This taught me we're doing injustice to THEM by trying to 'contain' something else in this phenomenon. Zionism was definately allied with colonialism but not a colonialist movement per se. There are similarities but there are differences (which worth a separate discussion). I know it's tough because we keep trying to make the atrocities in Palestine explicable for people far away, so we're trying to find words: appartheid, colonialism, and so on and so forth. But respecting and supporting each other's struggles for peace and justice and against hatred, racism, xenophobia and discrimination also means not undermining each other's sacred symbols and distinct history. Hey, sorry for the late response.
anyways: You write well, and it’s important we translate our debates to English.

Language (any language is symbolic) is international, therefore cannot be ‘altered’ to different meanings in different places. I don’t know who we’re fooling by thinking a swastika means something else in Tel Aviv or Bil’in than in Weimar. You know what they say in philosophy – when you start streaching conceptions you stop thinking clearly, and being activists i think means mark the path of crystal-clear thought.

If there’s something a year in London taught me is that we’re not being very carefull in our language. For instance, we keep using a comparison to colonialism. In the UK, colonialism is felt everywhere. It’s tangible, bleeding – a lot of people here still carry it in their collective memory, relate to it daily. This taught me we’re doing injustice to THEM by trying to ‘contain’ something else in this phenomenon. Zionism was definately allied with colonialism but not a colonialist movement per se. There are similarities but there are differences (which worth a separate discussion).

I know it’s tough because we keep trying to make the atrocities in Palestine explicable for people far away, so we’re trying to find words: appartheid, colonialism, and so on and so forth. But respecting and supporting each other’s struggles for peace and justice and against hatred, racism, xenophobia and discrimination also means not undermining each other’s sacred symbols and distinct history.

]]> Cheap Meridia From India - FDA Checked Pharmacy http://ronen.dvarim.com/cms/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/comment-page-1/#comment-801 Yael Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:25:45 +0000 http://ronen.dvarim.com/2007/04/28/nazi-symbolism-in-contemporary-israeli-art/#comment-801 Very well put. Lots to think about. Very well put. Lots to think about.

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